The Not Drinking Alcohol Today Podcast
Meg and Bella discuss the ups and downs of navigating an alcohol free life in Australia's alcohol centric culture. This highly rated podcast, featuring in Australia's top 100 self improvement podcasts, is a must for those that are trying to drink less alcohol but need some motivation, are curious about sober life or who are sober but are looking for some extra reinforcement. The Not Drinking Alcohol Today pod provides an invaluable resource to keep you motivated and on track today and beyond. Meg and Bella's guests include neuroscientists, quit-lit authors, journalists, health experts, alcohol coaches and everyday people who have struggled with alcohol but have triumphed over it. Our aim is to support and inspire you to reach your goals to drink less or none at all! Meg and Bella are This Naked Mind Certified Coaches (plus nutritionists and counsellors respectively) who live in Sydney and love their alcohol free life.
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Maggie Klaassens: On her journey to the (Sober) Summit!
Ever wondered how the "mummy wine culture" might be impacting your journey to health and fitness? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Maggie Clausens, the host of the Sober Summit, as she candidly shares her battle with habitual wine drinking—from her first drink in high school to the sophisticated wine culture she became immersed in as an adult. Maggie’s story takes a dramatic turn during the pandemic, a period that amplified her struggle due to easy access to alcohol and the lack of routine. This episode is not just Maggie's personal tale but a testament to the power of community support in overcoming alcohol dependency.
Tune in to hear about the gradual increase in alcohol tolerance and the pervasive thoughts that can hijack one's mind. We dissect the insidious "mummy wine culture" and underscore the crucial role of supportive communities and resources like "This Naked Mind" and various sobriety podcasts. The Sober Summit itself is a beacon of inspiration, emerging from Maggie's own journey to help others find liberation from alcohol. The feeling of no longer being preoccupied with drinking is liberating, and Maggie emphasizes the significance of surrounding oneself with like-minded individuals committed to self-improvement.
Get ready to be inspired by the upcoming Sober Summit! Maggie gives a sneak peek into what attendees can expect, including insights from renowned speakers like Sober Dave, Laura Cathcart-Robbins, Jolene Park, and Martin Lockett. Whether you're interested in the free ticket or the all-access pass, there are numerous perks such as bonuses, digital goodie bags, and engaging community activities. Maggie's commitment to personal growth and the mutual benefits of sharing stories make this episode a must-listen for anyone on the path to sobriety or those supporting someone who is.
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Hey everyone. I'm so excited to welcome Maggie Clausens today. She is the host of the Sober Summit and, for those who don't know about that, you're in for a treat. It's on next week and there will be details of how you can sign up, but in the meantime, welcome Maggie.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you so much for having me. This is amazing. We talked about it before we got on, but being on two different sides of the world and being able to connect this is what is so amazing about not only technology, but sobriety, like putting two people together like this. I love it. Thank you so much for having me on. It's a joy to be here.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you so much. And it's just amazing, isn't it, being in this sobriety community in this day and age. I am so grateful that we can all connect across the world. And just makes it a lot more fun, and it also just makes it a lot more doable, I think.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. I feel like those who sometimes struggle with it. The first thing I suggest is find your community, and you're right. This day and age there are so many to join and it's almost like speed dating, like go find your community that fits you and it's out there. It is out there, so yeah, but it makes a huge difference in your sobriety journey To your point. It makes it go, I don't know, faster. Is that right? I mean, it can help you move it along a bit better and just find your path.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know what you mean. Totally, I agree. Well, maggie, can we start by hearing a bit about your story?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So my story, I think, like with many, I had my first sip of beer in high school at the age of 14 and it was disgusting, right, yeah, but don't mind that because that's what culture and society you know to fit in, that's what you kind of have to do. You kind of just roll with it. That's how you get into the in crowd. And so I didn't drink much during high school. But really in college was when I kind of ramped up and you know belling up to the bar with the boys and you know drinking hard. And then after college was really when I felt like, oh, I'm over it, now I'm safe because I was no longer drinking beer, I was no longer doing shots, I wasn't partying like I was in college. I had quote unquote grown up and now is drinking wine Right and I'm safe with wine because that means I'm a sophisticated wine drinker and I don't have a problem because I'm right, I'm an adult now.
Speaker 2:I was adulting and I got really into the wine culture. I loved learning about it. I loved going to the wine store and just reading labels. I love trying new wines. I watched all the wine documentaries. I really felt like it was a part of who I was. I just felt like it was something I really enjoyed and was passionate about and love talking about it, and so I didn't really ever see it as a problem. I was very much into health and fitness and it's funny when you look back on your story and how you were very much into health and fitness but never taking away the alcohol, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I was the same yeah.
Speaker 2:Never even thought about it. It was like almost doing the work so that I could have my wine at night. And I wasn't a binge drinker, I wasn't drinking a ton, I wasn't overly hungover the next day, I wasn't walking around all drunk, I was just a habitual wine drinker. But for the life of me you wouldn't believe I couldn't give it up. Right Started making all these rules of like, well, I'm not going to drink during the week, but as soon as Monday five o'clock would roll around, I'd think, oh well, we're having Italian tonight. I got to drink red wine, or it's rainy out Like you got to drink red wine, right.
Speaker 2:So I always found an excuse to drink and I found it very hard to give up, even one night, even while I was pregnant, which I don't really talk about but even when I was pregnant, I was told once that you could have one glass of wine a week and I would do that and I would have my one, I'd measure it out, I would look forward to it. And now I look back and go. You couldn't even do it while you were pregnant, right. And so it's amazing now when you kind of know what you know about alcohol and you look back and think how much it handcuffed you throughout the years. And when the pandemic hit, I found myself without a job. I found myself with three small kiddos at home. My youngest one was nine months old. Oldest at the time was four, so I had three young kids.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, you didn't even have online school to keep them occupied.
Speaker 2:Well, we did, but it was like 15 minute increments, right? You can't have a two-year-old or three-year-old in preschool have an attention span more than 15 minutes.
Speaker 2:So those went by really quickly and part of it was I felt I was lucky because I do know, you know, I did listen to parents and what it was like to have a middle schooler or a high schooler and go through it and be online and with them all day. I can't imagine that, but it was nonetheless. I had my own challenges of being in a pandemic and I really looked forward to my wine even more so, and it was really kind of easy. I could call the wine shop and they would deliver wine to my door, so I didn't have to go anywhere. I ended up becoming more sophisticated in the sense that I was buying more expensive wine, right. So I just and I was finding reasons to start a little bit earlier, right, because we were at home and because I didn't have a job I didn't have like an end of my day, it just kind of melted together. So you know I it wasn't until you know a few instances that came up that I thought I don't know that I have a great relationship with alcohol.
Speaker 2:I kept finding myself being very territorial over my wine. My husband and I would open up a bottle and I'd want to make sure I got my fair share, if not more than he did, I would hate to be the one that, you know, couldn't open up another bottle. I wanted to make sure I had my fair share and, if not, was going to go open up another bottle of wine. And, you know, make sure that that was acceptable. And you know, there was one specific night where I was upstairs bathing my kids and I could hear my husband open up that bottle of wine and I thought, oh my gosh, he's starting without me. You know what if he has more than me? I got to hurry up and get done with this and get downstairs so I can pour my glass of wine. You know, to hurry up and get done with this and get downstairs so I can pour my glass of wine, you know. And I just all of a sudden paused and thought, gosh, is that, is that a good relationship with alcohol? It seems a little. You know. I thought maybe I'm going crazy, but that that doesn't seem like a great relationship with alcohol. And that was just one of many kind of little taps on the shoulder.
Speaker 2:This was never anything that happened overnight, it was something that you know. Once in a while you kind of pause and say, hmm, I don't know if that's how I want to act, or I don't know if that's how I want to be, or I don't know if this is how I want to feel anymore. And so you know waking up every night in the middle of the night because your body's ready for that. Next, you know, hit of the sugar and the alcohol and the you know the dopamine hit being irritable, with my kids having that foggy brain. I always thought that was going to be my entire life. I thought, okay, I've had three kids, I'm going to be stuck with this mommy foggy brain for the rest of my life. I never realized that that alcohol, just giving up alcohol, could get rid of just that. It was amazing.
Speaker 2:And so I decided to do a hundred day challenge and I tried to stop a couple of times. I read Annie Grace's book this Naked Mind. The day I stopped reading that, the day I finished, it was the day I stopped. But I didn't do any more than that. I didn't join a community, I didn't continue reading books, I didn't listen to the podcasts and slowly but surely I fell right back. I found myself back in my nightly wine habit. And more right it. Just your brain does not forget where you left off and it's like, oh, we have to make up for some lost time now. So, yeah, I just I felt like, after I got stuck on sort of this hamster wheel again, I was going to try it, but I was going to do more. So I decided to do a hundred day challenge.
Speaker 2:But that came after listening to a bunch of podcasts, reading more books, and those were really motivating, because when you hear other people talk about the joys of sobriety, you're like I can't wait to get on this bandwagon, whatever they are drinking, whatever. Well, you know like I want to drink the Kool-Aid, right. Whatever other than alcohol. Right, I want to drink the Kool-Aid right, whatever they're drinking other than alcohol. Right, I want to get on this bandwagon and do what they're doing, because it's just so motivating and inspiring to hear all these amazing stories and what life could be like. And I'm going. I want that life so bad. I want it for myself and for my family. And you know, I just. And so I did the 100 day challenge and it's amazing, when you give yourself that amount of time, other than just a 30 day break, it really makes a big difference and that's what I found. So I did a hundred day challenge.
Speaker 2:My my husband says what are you going to do now, after you know on day one to one, what are you going to do now? And I go, I'm doing another one. This is so great, I'm going to do now. And I go, I'm doing another one. This is so great, I'm going to do another one. And now I'm two and a half years later and I'm still going, because it's that good and hopefully hearing my story, maybe other people that are stuck in mommy wine culture can be such a big part of mommy life. It doesn't have to be Actually everything that they promise you alcohol will give you as a parent. That's what sobriety is right. Sobriety is my superpower to get through parenting, not alcohol. So we're fed a lot of lies in that sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, I totally relate to all of it. I was yeah, mummy, wine drinker. That was when it increased for me and I love that you're saying you weren't binge drinking, you weren't out of control, but you still knew this wasn't good for you, it wasn't what you wanted from your life. I love that because there's a lot of people in that. You know it's referred to as the gray area or or um, you know a lot of people would say you're fine.
Speaker 2:Um, oh, absolutely. If you were to look at me at a hundred percent, everybody would say I was fine. There's what the way that I was drinking was absolutely normal, right, but what is normal? Cause I was still above what they ask. They say the limit is right. So here in the US our limit is one drink for a female, two drinks for a male every night. Yeah, I was drinking above that, so that it wasn't normal, but our society standards. I was absolutely not doing anything above and beyond what anybody else was doing.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and so it's just so acceptable. And it really takes us listening to ourselves and going, yeah, I'm actually not okay with that, and it will increase over time. That's the thing with alcohol and tolerance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if you really think about what alcohol is, it's an addictive substance, you know and you will, so you almost look at it as addictive substance. You know and you will, so you almost look at it as well. I might be okay today and where I'm at now, but what will I be like in 10 years? Right, and I don't want to find out. I don't want to find out where I'd be in 10 years. My, you know, my number of glasses of wine today is going to double by in 10 years. It just will.
Speaker 1:That's just the nature Exactly, I can really see that, like when I talk to clients and things. When my third child was born cause he, I have a 10 year age gap between the first and the last and so I never had a problem. I was a binge drinker but I could go long periods of time without alcohol and when he was born he was one it was really like, um, I'll just have one tonight. Um, one drink. And because it was that, mummy, wine culture, we were on the internet. By that point I, I was enabled, my friends were saying, oh yeah, just, you know, chill out, have it, you deserve a wine. We were all saying it. And then I can see, over it's been. It was probably over six years. It went from one to two. I was on when I stopped drinking and this is, you know, three years ago I was on two bottles a night. So that tolerance. Very clearly I can see that, that growth.
Speaker 2:Yep, and I would have been right there with you at that time had I let it. And that's I mean, I think that's the message is that we don't have to wait till we hit this rock bottom. We don't have to wait to whatever that rock bottom is for you, right, but we don't have to wait till things get so bad. You can make a life choice now to just live life a different way, and the way that I look at it, too, is I knew what life was like with alcohol in it all the time and the brain capacity that it just it filled my head of. When is my next drink? Do I have wine? Is it a good wine, like? If it's not a good one, I got to go to the store right now and get the wine I want tonight. You know it.
Speaker 2:Just it filled my head so much, and so I knew what life was like with it and I felt very much stuck and I wanted to give myself the gift of just seeing what it was like without it and thinking I can always go back. Right, I can always go back if it's not better, but I anybody I talked to that's not the case, right, it's a hundred percent better on this side of it. But you have to give yourself that distance from it to really see what it's like and really feel that freedom of not it not even being in your head, part of your, your daily, sometimes, you know, hourly thoughts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, the thinking about drinking is is horrendous. You know, that ruled that ruled my life, and the freedom when you have a break of not thinking about it, oh, that was in itself that was the best thing ever. But you're right. Also, I did the same as you and you read this Naked Mind.
Speaker 1:I actually went to AA for a bit because I wanted a community, but as soon as I stopped that I went back to drinking and it was in COVID. So I actually it was just before COVID and it just wasn't going to fit in with my timing. And then it went online and I'm just like, nah, don't need it anymore and I also didn't totally resonate with some of it. But the community was next level. But as soon as I stopped because I hadn't I didn't do anything else the drinking came back in. So I realized the next time, when I found this naked mind and I joined a program of Annie's, I realized how important that work on myself was. The community, the podcast and the Quitlet. Having those stories in my ears when I went for a walk, you'd stop feeling alone and that was definitely the thing that got me through. The first part was just continuously listening to things from other people who are in the same position and who got to the other side.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did that. I used it as a tool. I use podcasts as one of my tools. When I felt triggered or I felt like my lid was flipping and I was getting stressed out, I would immediately put my earbuds in and listen to a podcast, and just that calmed me down and that took me to the place where I knew I didn't need it.
Speaker 2:And to your point, once you get over that hump, that freedom, when you first realize that you hadn't thought about wine that day or alcohol that day, you're going. Wait a second, it didn't even cross my mind. This is amazing. It is such a freeing feeling and that's the freedom that I think everyone deserves is nothing in life you should have a hold on you like that. Anything you know, and that's. It's a journey of personal self-development. I feel like and being part of these communities. You're around people that just want to better themselves. Who doesn't want to be around? People that just want to live a better life and be a better version of themselves? That's those are the types of people I want to be around.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, absolutely. That sums it up perfectly. It's, it's incredible, it's it's, and it just keeps you so motivated and just yeah, that's what I love so much about it. And so where, when, in your journey? Or in the last couple of years? How, first of all, how long, has the Sober Summit been going for?
Speaker 2:We just started, last April of 2023.
Speaker 1:That was only last year, was your first, okay.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I did two last year. The first one was in April and it's that's when Annie Grace was part of William Porter Andy Ramage. We had such a a great um roster and, to be honest, I it wasn't something I intended to do to do. I have to pinch myself sometimes today and go am I really doing?
Speaker 2:this. Um, I was about six months into my journey. Again, I didn't have a job because I was in. I was working for a hotel company and, of course, the hospitality industry just flipped overnight and we all lost our jobs and so I ended up being at home with my kiddos for 18 months and I found myself, you know, once we had them kind of going back to school. You know, I'm sitting around going. What am I going to do with with my life now?
Speaker 2:And I was about six months into my journey and I was attending a bunch of health and wellness summits online, because the pandemic those really increased. Right, like, how are we going to build community and educate people? Virtual conferences were where it was at, and I was attending two of them, funny enough, on sugar how to quit sugar, because after I gave up alcohol, my sweet tooth just skyrocketed. And I'm attending these two different sugar summits and I'm going wait, there's two on sugar. I got to go find the one on alcohol. There's got to be one on alcohol. And I went to go find it and I couldn't find one. And so I thought, oh gosh, this would be such a cool idea to do what they're doing there, but for the sober and sober curious. And so I pitched the idea to a few podcasters and they were so sweet. They they asked me well, we don't understand what's a summit right? Like, what is this? We don't quite get it, and you know they're busy with their own jobs and things. And so they politely declined but said if you do it, we'll be speakers on it. We're here to support you, Like, we're happy to do it.
Speaker 2:And I thought who am I? You know, I'm six months into my journey. I've never told anyone publicly on like Facebook or Instagram that I was even doing the alcohol free thing, and I wasn't anybody in the space. I wasn't an author, a podcaster, and so I didn't have an audience of my own either. And I thought who am I to do this? But it's funny when you listen to inspiring stories on podcasts, you hear about people who run marathons, write books, quit their job and go get their dream job. You know it's just it's. I get goosebumps just saying it. It's amazing what you can do in sobriety. And what if this is the thing that I do? What if this is the thing that? What if this is my Mount Everest? And so I decided I was going to do it. I started asking a few podcasters, authors, and really quickly people started saying yes and all of a sudden.
Speaker 2:You know I've got 24 speakers that are on board to do this and I'm going. Okay, I guess I have to do this now. So, yeah, we did the first one last April. We had over 5,000 people attend. It was incredible. I thought it was just going to be me and my mom, maybe my husband, you know and um, I got such great feedback from it. I even today get people that say I attended your first summit. I just want to tell you I'm X number of days sober and it's because I attended your summit. I mean that feels amazing. And so we did that in April. And then I was on such a high from doing it that we did a holiday one last November about how to not get through the holidays but how to really thrive during the holidays, alcohol-free, because the holidays can be a tricky one for a lot of people. And then now we're doing our third one. So it's this week, september 25th through 27th. We've got another 24 amazing speakers and it's really fun.
Speaker 2:I get so much out of it. I get to interview the people who continue to inspire me. Today, I'm sure you feel this when you interview people on your podcast. You're like, wow, pinch me, how do I get to interview these incredible people who are doing so much in this space and I learn so much? It's a way for me to stay connected in my sober journey, because I never want to get complacent. I still am part of a community, I still read the Quitlet books, I still listen to the podcast, because I never want to get so far from it that I don't remember where I came from, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely yes. There's a lot of similarities there and because Bella and I doing this podcast actually this, this podcast now is our 100th episode. Yes, and next week Bella and I'll do a celebrating that pod.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so cool. Congratulations, that's huge, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:We committed to doing one a week. We have never gone from that. But the thrill I get from meeting amazing people, hearing their stories I am just the same as you pinch myself moment. It's incredible and it keeps me 100% in this community, the mindset in the game. It's so important and so I love, I just love what you're doing, bringing all these amazing people together, which is a listening to that. And having the summit is such a huge tool for other people who like it's like you and I were saying listen to a podcast or an audible. It's like 24 times over.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's very. It's very similar to listening to a podcast. But yeah, we have. You know, the speakers come on, they tell their stories. So you get inspiration from hearing other people's stories.
Speaker 2:And what I tell people too, is if you, if you look at somebody's story and you think I'm not going to resonate with them I don't identify with hitting rock bottom or I don't identify with being a habitual drinker, whatever it might be listen to their story anyway, because I guarantee there is going to be one part of their story that you're going to go. That's just like me. And it's incredible because all of a sudden, we all have one thing in common and it brings us together so quickly. It's incredible If you ever go to a sober event if I don't know if you have those if you ever go to a sober event, you meet friends so quickly because you already have this one thing in common and it just brings people together so closely. I love it.
Speaker 2:But so we have people telling their stories and then we have different topics that they're passionate about, that benefit the attendees that really help them in their sober journey. You know tools to have in their back pocket. So there are some incredible ones we've had in the past Sarah Rusbach from Australia and Bex Weller, two of my favorites. So, yeah, we, definitely yeah, we. You know people from around the world to be speakers and get a global audience, so it's really fun how do you find your speakers?
Speaker 2:I just ask.
Speaker 2:I just I go out and you know, I think for the first one, it was very much people who were part of my original journey, people who really inspired me and who I connected with in my sober journey. And now it's really. I've been able to branch out and meet so many incredible people and I all the time have people coming to me saying I wanna be a part of this. How can I be a speaker? And so it's really kind of evolving over time, but it's which is incredible. It's a good problem to have all these people that want to share their stories and share their knowledge of how they did it and tools and tips on how to help other people, you know, get to where they are. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's amazing. And I'm just asking because if you ever need someone, I don't think I would love it.
Speaker 2:I would love it. We need more people from Australia, please put me on the list.
Speaker 1:I would love it, love it.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're going to have to talk after this, Megan.
Speaker 1:Yes, excellent. I'm really excited for next week, for the summit, and so I will put, like I said, the information in the show notes, but can you tell us a bit about where we can find it and how it will look?
Speaker 2:Yes, great question. So you can go to thesobersummitcom and register to get your free ticket. There's not an actual ticket per se, but you'll get an email that'll give you access into our platform. There you can see the entire agenda and RSVP for different interviews that you want to make sure you attend. It is free in the sense that every day we have eight speakers that go live at 8 am Eastern, which would be, I guess, 10 pm, your time but everyone gets the same 24 hours, right. So everyone gets 24 hours to listen to that day's speakers and then it'll go away and we'll move on to day two and then day three. But if you want instant access and you can get instant access right now and extended access by purchasing the all access pass, that'll give you all 24 interviews and a private podcast to listen on the go. And then the speakers actually throw in incredible bonuses. So we have over $800 worth of bonuses from the speakers courses, books, workshops, guides, I mean you name it, it's in there and those are incredible tools to help kickstart your sober journey or keep you on your sober journey. It's just, they're so generous, they're such amazing people.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, so it's, and we're we're going to have a lot of fun too. We play bingo. The speakers also give away prizes, so we've got free coaching sessions and free books and all sorts of things. So we'll play some bingo, have some fun. There is a digital goodie bag with discounts to different products and services that you can take advantage of, and there's a community so you can find like-minded people. You can find your new sober bestie or someone from completely on the other side of the world. You never know who's going to become your sober bestie. But, yeah, we're going to have some fun. It's supposed to be an inspiring, fun event, um, and to show people just how amazing sobriety can be.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, it's um, it just sounds so great. I'm I'm so impressed with what you've done. Wow, it's huge and love it. I'm not surprised. It sounds like so cool and I can't wait. I can't wait. So who are some of the speakers?
Speaker 2:So no one from Australia this time but Megan. We'll have to talk, but we've got Sober Dave, laura, yeah, laura Cathcart-Robbins who wrote Stash I don't know if you've read that book yet. It's incredible. Jolene Park, who is the gray area drinking expert. Janie Lee Grace. Scott Pinyard, which you might know, scott, from this. Yeah, so we've got some incredible. Sharon Hartley from Over the Influences. Todd Kinney, who's an author of. I Didn't Believe it Either. That was an incredible book.
Speaker 2:Martin Lockett Now, this interview is incredible. Martin Lockett has the most incredible story of. I don't even want to give it away, is the most incredible, heartwarming story. Heartwarming story, but he talks about shame versus guilt and how to use guilt as a tool so that it doesn't turn into shame and, you know, make you downward spiral, which I think so many people can, you know, relate to. There's so much of the feeling of shame and guilt in sobriety or not in sobriety, but you know, in your journey I feel like there's a lot of that and that can keep you stuck. It doesn't need to. Um, who else? Oh, we have the CEO of cut above, um, talking about the future of non-alcoholic drinks, um, and we have the founder and editor of after magazine. Um, in there too is Nicole Pia Triandria, hugh, if I say her name correctly. So we've got some really incredible. You can go to thesobersummitcom. You can see the entire speaker list, the entire agenda. Get your free ticket and come join all the fun.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm signed up and I have had a look and it's amazing.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited and so, for anyone that can't do the times live, there are the replay for 24 hours. Is that right?
Speaker 2:So it's not live, it's all prerecorded. So they all, they all go live at 8 am Eastern and they're available for 24 hours. Ok, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 2:You'll get an email right when everything goes live and you can. You've got 24 hours to go listen and you can pick and choose which ones either the speaker you might resonate with or the topic and I don't know. Branch out, find somebody new. I think that's really exciting when you find somebody new in the space and you're going, oh my gosh, I had never knew that person existed and now you know I'm a big fan. So it's all about kind of branching out and meeting more people in the community.
Speaker 1:Definitely, and I think you're spot on. You know, don't judge by something, a story or something that you think might not relate, and I have experience on the podcast, like every single person I've spoken to. There's something we that I resonate with. It's good on you for doing it.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you. I, like I said, I really enjoy it. I get I feel a bit selfish. I get so much out of it. You know, I learned so much. This is what these people continue to inspire me and help me and I just to be able to share that with everybody else just feels incredible. But I get so much out of it. Every time I talk to someone, I get something out of it. I learn from these interviews, so I'm sure you feel the same way when you interview someone. Learn from these interviews, so I'm sure you feel the same way when you, when you interview someone. But it's it's for my own self too. I'm still on this journey, even two and a half years into it, and I continue. I will continue to push myself and I want to continue to grow, and that's what sobriety is all about.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely Amazing, and I love that you've come on and shared your story and there's so much I resonate with. It's been really nice to meet you. Thank you so much for coming on today, maggie, it's been lovely.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, thank you so much for having me. This is amazing and we will definitely talk, Megan. Yes, we will.
Speaker 1:It's an absolute pleasure. Thanks, Maggie.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
